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KellySmithK August 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Obama has done a great job promoting his class warfare. When did you ever hear the terms 1% or 99%er? This is not an achievement I would expect from a true leader of the US. We should all be ashamed to fall into his trap.

Peggy Devlin Blazewicz August 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm

Kelly check the facts! Since trickle down economics began the gap between the rich and the middle class has grown. The rich have gotten richer while the middle class pays for them.

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 12:31 pm

It's obvious Frank Rizzo is long on personal attacks, but short on facts. Rizzo claims Obama inherited "2 unfunded wars". It's sadly obvious that Rizzo has no concept regarding the federal law specifying how budgets and expenditures of the United States Department of Defense are executed.
So, Rizzo, enlighten us! If the so-called "unfunded war" claim was true, then why didn't Obama: 1) Cease and recall all troops in occupied lands and 2) Call for a federal investigation with prosecutorial powers involving Congress and the Department of Defense and how they spent federal dollars outside of the law. The floor's yours Rizzo -- blind us with your brilliance.

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 12:38 pm

Peggy Devlin Blazewicz -- Can you give us a specific cause and effect example of your claim: "Since trickle down economics began the gap between the rich and the middle class has grown."
Define "rich" for us please. Define "middle class" for us please. At what dollar amount and net worth does someone get defined as "rich" and "middle class"? Let me know what you "check your facts".

Marie Korsak August 21, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Let's talk about something REALLY BIG Christie has given us......a 9.8% unemployment rate that is sure to balloon after the summer is over. I believe that the number of REAL people without work is close to 500,000! Who is he going to blame that on?

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 01:08 pm

Hey Peggy Deviln Blazewicz -- I'm still waiting waiting on specific numbers that support your biased claims about economics.

Elephants&donkeys=jackasses August 21, 2012 at 02:35 pm

From 1979 to 2007, the top 1% of households after-tax income has grown 275%. In that same period the poorest 5th of households after-tax income has grown 18.3%. The middle 5th of households after-tax income has grown 35.2%. Source: Congressional Budget Office.

Peggy Devlin Blazewicz August 21, 2012 at 02:43 pm

John, where’s the fire! Didn’t know responses had come within 30 minutes! You might want to ease up on the caffeine! Anyway to answer your questions:
The Economic Policy Institute, a nonprofit, nonpartisan think tank reported in June according to IRS data, over 87 percent of taxpayers make less than $100,000 in adjusted gross income. They have a great visual that shows the income distribution. Or you can check the Bureau of labor statistics. There are plenty of reports – here’s one First link: http://www.epi.org/publication/households-making-250k-1m-year-not-middle-class/ Second link:http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/publications/p60-169rd.pdf

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 03:12 pm

Come on, Peggy Devlin Blazewicz, you didn't answer the question. You used the term "rich" and "middle class".
So, what is your definition of "rich" and "middle class"? I don't need your links because I already have the answer before I even asked you the question.

Elephants&donkeys=jackasses August 21, 2012 at 03:43 pm

I don't think the point is to squabble over a "definition" of rich or middle class as that is defined differently depending on the source. There is no one definition of "rich" or "middle class" that everyone agrees with. However, I think your first question (Can you give us a specific cause and effect example of your claim: "Since trickle down economics began the gap between the rich and the middle class has grown.") was answered fairly well by the links or the facts about income growth.

Spooner August 21, 2012 at 03:47 pm

...so what's the answer John?. . .She put out her sources. . .what's yours... giving us an agreed too delineation between rich and the middle class. . .

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 04:36 pm

This is interesting! It seems everyone is in a big rush to push taxes on people, but no one can seem to define what "rich", "middle class" and "poor" is in America.
Peggy made a broad statement when she claimed ""Since trickle down economics began the gap between the rich and the middle class has grown." Perhaps I should have been more specific. * WHAT is "trickle down" economics? * WHEN was it implemented in the United States? * WHAT are the official measures of such economics? ...and, of course, define what "rich", "middle class" and "poor" is -- using official statistics of course.

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 04:44 pm

Elephants&donkeys=jackasses -- are you kidding me? Peggy used a valid source of data when she used the Economic Policy Institute (EPI)???
One of the so-called sources comes from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). Who makes up EPI and where does its funding come from? (You gotta love Wikipedia some times!) EPI: Founded in 1986 by economists Jeff Faux, Lester Thurow, Ray Marshall, Barry Bluestone, Robert Reich, and Robert Kuttner.[1] EPI's President is Lawrence Mishel, a long-time member of Democratic Socialists of America. EPI funding: Eight labor unions made a five-year funding pledge to the Economic Policy Institute at its inception: AFSCME, United Auto Workers, United Steelworkers, United Mine Workers, International Association of Machinists, Communications Workers of America, Service Employees International Union, and United Food and Commercial Workers Union. Does the word BIAS have any meaning to you when it comes to the source of the reference cites above?

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 04:45 pm

Just what I want when I reference economic policy -- a SOCIALIST and LABOR UNIONS! LOL! You people kill me!

Elephants&donkeys=jackasses August 21, 2012 at 05:08 pm

This is from the CBO.
From 1979 to 2007, the top 1% of households after-tax income has grown 275%. In that same period the poorest 5th of households after-tax income has grown 18.3%. The middle 5th of households after-tax income has grown 35.2%. Source: Congressional Budget Office. Also, please share your source of unbiased information. I would like to consider that information as well.

Thomas A. Blasi August 21, 2012 at 05:28 pm

The ‘gap’ has turned into an abyss; it will be difficult for us and the rest of the world to dig ourselves out. I do know that we have been spending 29 million dollars an HOUR on a war that has been continuing for almost 11 years. First thing we need to do (I think) is to bring the troops home and then cut back on the over 750 military bases we maintain around the world.

John Jay August 21, 2012 at 05:56 pm

RE: Elephants&donkeys=jackasses --
I didn't make any statements about the CBO numbers. I simply asking for a monetary and/or net worth definition of: * Rich * Middle Class * Poor I've been getting a lot of personal attacks but no numbers. Care to take a shot at a definition, Elephants&donkeys=jackasses?

Frank Rizzo August 21, 2012 at 06:22 pm

peggy as you can clearly see john jay has nothing to do all day so he spends it on the patch and shame on you peggy for having a life and not responding to his 5 part exam questions within 3 minutes or the time he has alotted you. i,ll say this because of course john jay wont see it on fox . when bush started turning our surplus into debt with his desire to build roads and bridges and starbucks in iraq he never put the cost of either war on the books. in 2009 obama put the cost on the 2009 budget for the first time which added a trillion in one day to which conservatives started running around like teenage girls at a justin bieber album signing declaring " look obama just spent a trillion in just one day!. john jay you are such an expert on everything and yet i have to help you on this one again poor is considered on the poverty line which is $20,000 a year for a family of four. now imagine romney wants to increase their taxes to 10 % while lowering the tax on the super wealthy by ten %. because of course a guy trying to keep a roof over his head for his wife and 2 kids living large on 20 grand a year should be paying more taxes while those with 12 car elevators in their homes should be paying a lot less tax. now we have another republican nitwit akin who says there are different kinds of rape you know the good rape and bad rape neither of which would the victim be allowed to have an abortion .

Frank Rizzo August 21, 2012 at 06:28 pm

paul ryan who complained about the stimulus but had his hand stuck out behind his back to take the check like every other republican hypocrite (inhofe etc) did also was the co sponsor of a bill with this genius akin who said that if a woman is raped she secretes an anti pregnancy fluid that prevents pregnancy. this is how republicans see their own version of science whether its anti rape fluids or climate change. ryan still insists that if a father rapes his daughter and she seeks an abortion that she should be charged with a crime. maybe she was just a slut because her anti pregnancy fluids werent working when she was attacked. republicans taking our country back. problem is theyre taking it back to the 1850s.

Elephants&donkeys=jackasses August 21, 2012 at 06:30 pm

I'm not sure what your point is but I would repeat that rich or middle class is defined differently depending on the source and type of analysis that is done. It is also based on a number of socio-economic factors, not just monetary factors or net worth. There is no one definition of "rich" or "middle class" that everyone agrees with. In the CBO information, I would think that they are considering the top 1% of households to be "rich", the middle fifth to represent the "middle class", and the poorest fifth to represent the "poor". There is a ton of statistical analysis out there that delves into the topic. Again, I'm not sure what your point is in focusing on the definitions. You also didn't provide your unbiased sources and I don't believe any personal attacks have come from here.
Dictionary definition of rich: 1: having abundant possessions and especially material wealth

Frank Rizzo August 21, 2012 at 06:33 pm

heres a 3 part exam question for you john jay. last week on 60 minutes ryan and romney appeared together. ryan sat there in his ronnie reagan haircut and said the first thing he would do is eliminate all these offshore tax shelters while romney sat next to him with fake grin painted on his face nodding yes. now johnny do you believe ryan will make romney take his hidden money out of his swiss banks and cayman islands accounts and put them in american banks? if not does that make them both hypocrites? lastly are the odds of that happening or you winning the mega lotto greater?

Frank Rizzo August 21, 2012 at 06:48 pm

nancy malaki i didnt read john jay's 21 yr old daughter's comments thouroughly because clearly her father has brainwashed her at an early age. at 21 she of course has had so many life experiences that she can say "i,m tired of voting in several major elections and getting no results" . now forgive me i went to a public high school and maybe my math is a bit off but if she is 21 now and she was able to vote for the first time 3 yrs ago how did she vote in several major elections that fall every 4 yrs? . i guess neither you or her dad are the brightest crayons in the box. this girl may be confused about her age but both of you are old enough to have voted for sara palin the car show model in 2008.

Fred M August 21, 2012 at 10:08 pm

Frank, you state nobody cares about the Govenors waist size, yet you mention that him weighing 400 pounds irks people with him eating ice cream. So, your saying a overweight guy eating ice cream is different then an in shape guy eating ice cream? Apparently people do care about his weight size? it sounds like your saying a person that is overweight doesn't care about himself and shouldn't give advise? I can care less about a persons weight, color etc..Doing a good job is all I care about.

Fred M August 21, 2012 at 10:13 pm

Thomas, are you stating that the higher level of education determines if a person is what? I know people that have Masters Degrees that ar not intelligent about real life issues..Where does Bill Gates fall ? No college for him I think

Marie Korsak August 21, 2012 at 10:58 pm

I guess no one thinks its a problem that under this governor's watch, New Jersy has the 4TH HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN THE COUNTRY. 9.8%.....approximately 500,000 people have no job! That means they can't buy a car or shop for anything other than the bare necessities. I cannot for the life of me see how that is considered doing a good job!

Fred M August 21, 2012 at 11:47 pm

Whole country has a problem. Not just Nj . It's very rare for any state to be Exempt from the rest of the Countries Economics conditions...If the rest of the Country was prospering and NJ was at the bottom, then yes, Christi would have to answer..

Fred M August 21, 2012 at 11:51 pm

Correction, College drop out..He had Determination..This is something that comes within a person..College doesn't give anyone a inner determination..

Marie Korsak August 22, 2012 at 01:06 pm

I beg to differ with you. Being the 4th highest UI state means that 46 states are doing BETTER than NJ.

frank rizzo October 27, 2012 at 12:09 am

170 american workers this week are standing outside sensata technologies in illinois after bain capital outsourced ther jobs to china. when these workers asked to speak to management they were arrested. the result is their town will turn into a ghost town and many of them will lose their homes. sensata earned $471 million in third quarter profits alone this year so there was an urgent need to double that by sending american jobs to china where they pay a buck an hour. the romney business model at its best. romney is still supporting that other dolt richard muordock who says rape is "god's will" . when romney loses in november that too will be "god's will" .

frank rizzo October 27, 2012 at 12:11 am

and john jay who whines about me hurling personal insults at him today on another patch thread called someone a " retard" which i,m sure every family that have autistic members in their families will really appreciate this charmer.