This article seems to be devoid of any specifics, or facts.

Republicans trampling our voting rights?

Sounds more like a desperate Democrat supporter grabbing at straws, trying to discredit Republicans through innuendo.

If you're going to write a commentary have some facts.

Jerry Moore, if you do not know the facts behind this attack on voting rights you may have just crawled out from under a rock. The facts have been in every newspaper and on every media outlet.

Fact 1: There are less occurrences of voter fraud in the United States than blue moons... voter fraud is prosecuted and the number of cases range in the SINGLE digits. Actual cases of voter fraud are so minuscule it is ridiculous.

Fact 2: NONE of these cases would have been protected by ''voter fraud" legislation (laws). As a matter of fact these laws would not have stopped EVEN ONE of the tiny amount of voter fraud cases that came to light because all of those were double voting. Double voting is voting more than once in 2 separate districts. ID will not stop double voting as you can show your ID in both districts. Duh...

Fact 3: The Supreme court by unanimous decision found Texas and its voter ID law to be unconstitutional. This law would have required some of its citizens to travel up to 250 miles to obtain photo ID's, as most states do not have enough ID issuing sites.

Fact 3: Most of these new laws would hit college students who can no longer vote with their college or university ID and make them travel to their home district where they lived to vote. So, if you are going to college in CA and your parents live in NJ. You need to pay for a plane ticket home to vote. It is all purely stupid jabberwocky as voter fraud is about as common as walking on the blue moon.

Here, I will anticipate the next question: Why doesn't everyone have a photo ID? Because they do not need it to function...
a) They may live in a metro area and use public transportation, so why would you pay $52.00 to the state for something you don't need.
b) They are elderly and no longer drive, but will get a ride to vote
c) I did not have a photo ID for nearly 6 months due to an illness. You can function just fine without it, all you need to show is an ATM card and a credit card . These are both perfectly good forms of ID, if you do not have a photo ID. Most people are of the false impression that you need a photo ID to survive and you do not. If you should be asked for a photo ID, you just show an alternative form of ID by carrying a passport, ATM, birth certificate, or credit card. You can function just fine without a very expensive photo ID. You are welcome to try it for yourself. You will be just fine offering another form of ID.

Voter fraud doesn't exist? What is so wrong with making sure that only those who are eligible to vote, ... vote? Is it really too much to insist that those who vote be U.S. citizens, be residents of the district, be alive, not vote more than once? Why would anyone be against this? You would be if voter fraud is part of your regular playbook.
Just this week we see that Democrat candidate Rosen from Maryland for the U.S. House of Rep. had to drop out of the race because she was caught voting twice. Two different states.
Talk about voter suppression. Remember that close Presidential election we had a few years ago? it came down to a few ballots in Florida and it was the Democrats who tried to get absentee ballots from our U.S. servicemen and women thrown out because they tended to vote Republican.
Bob, you use ABC News as an unbiased source? Is that the same ABC News that conspired with other major network reporters on Romney's campaign plane to make sure they all ask that "gotcha" question? The whole thing caught on an open mike within the past day or two. [Dems seem to have a problem with open mikes.]
I believe the there has been no judgement on the PA case by the feds. Let's see how it plays out.

The only thing you said that was accurate is, "Voter fraud doesn't exist". Republicans are inventing a justification to allow them to trample on the Constitution and our right to vote. Being a good Ametican is more than wrapping yourself in the flag and calling yourself a sunshine patriot. Thank God for the Democratic Party because they understand what it truly means to be a patriot, a patriot stands up for the poor and the elderly and fights for their right to vote while the GOP only stands for their own partisan agenda.

Thank you! "Voter fraud doesn't exist". That's right up there with telling business owners "You didn't build that". We'll be sure to remind you.
What to trade "good Americanisms"? I'll start. A good American is doing what is right for our children's future. It is not asking "what's in it for me" before you vote for someone. Who's trying to leave this country on a sound financial footing for our children? Not the Democrat Party.
Who are you to talk about caring for the poor and elderly? As a social worker I've made working for the poor my life's work. I also worked in a nursing home as a social worker. You have no idea of the value or lack of value of our social programs.

Social worker...really...sympathy for the downtrodden is your speciality, who would have guessed?

I have the same insight as one of our former Presidents. He understood that the old system of handouts was not working. He sighed a bipartisan bill to change welfare. It required a recipiant to doing something to receive a check. They had to register with the Dpt. of Labor for either job training, job search, school, etc. They received travel vouchers to get to school. There were no more automatic increases in grant size for each additional child after they were granted welfare. They still received Medicaid and an increase in food stamps for the new child. This program worked. Welfare rolls dropped. I knew clients who decided to not increase the size of their families because they knew they would not receive more money. Some took advantage of the training and schooling and got jobs. I also had clients who had to give up all welfare benefits because the new requirements interfered with them going to their off the books unreported job. [There's that word again, fraud.] The new regulations worked. Thanks to that heartless Bill Clinton. Then Obama comes along and guts the work requirements. Obama also gutted the resource limit for those applying for food stamps. A person can now live in a million dollar home with several cars and a boat in the driveway and if he can hide his income he can collect food stamps. There's your increase if food stamp rolls.
No wonder Clinton is so popular. Obama and the far left crowd and you are so out of touch with what's right for America.

If you call an article quoting Bill Clinton a source...OK. It was really just a report on Bill Clinton's opinion on the voter verification laws, not really too many actual facts in there. We know that Bill Clinton is unbiased in this...RIGHT.

Nobody really has addressed the main question...Why would these laws not equally burden Democrats & Republicans.

It would appear That the party that has the most to lose if Fraud is stopped, is the party that would oppose stopping voter fraud, & I guess we all know which party that is.

Melissa- In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. Commonly known as "stop and identify" statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.
Currently the following states have stop and identify laws: AL, AR, CO, DE, FL, GA, IL, KS, LA, MO, MT, NE, NH, NM, NV, NY, ND, RI, UT, VT, WI- I bet NJ is next.

"... since 'we' got rid of Jim Crow laws?" Jim Crow laws, as were most voter suppression laws were written by the Democrats. Every single equal rights law were championed and passed by Republicans.

I have to ask, in the interest of full disclosure, who are you, what do you do and what is your political affiliation?

And since we're citing articles on the web in support of our "argument" here's a piece from a typical left leaning news magazine, US World and News:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/06/08/dnc-chair-ignores-democrats-jim-crow-history

Why would the Republicans try to pass a law that would suppress a demographic that contains one of the single biggest right-leaning voter blocks, the military? Answer, they wouldn't.

And to show their true racist nature, the Democrats block every attempt to require voter ID laws? Why? Because it seems that the Dems argument is that only white middle class males are capable of figuring out how to get a drivers license. I have my "code cracker" and you're the racist, Griff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-8zYwshVXI

If a person is unable to pull themselves together and acquire a photo ID, do we really want them voting?

Voting fraud DOES exist.
http://www.americanclarion.com/5500/2012/04/09/voter-id-white-guy-eric-holders-ballot/
Watch a WHITE guy, ask to vote in Eric Holders name....and poll workers comply. Just one example among many in the video.
ANYONE who says voter fraud DOESNT exist has his/her head in the sand.

“Do you really want to live in a country where one party is so desperate to win the White House that they go around trying to make it harder for people to vote if they’re people of color, poor people or first generation immigrants?”[2]
I have no idea where anyone gets the idea that having to show an idea is somehow un-American, or even more ridiculous - racist.. If you want a job, you have to show ID -you want to buy Claritan, you have to show ID, you want a license - you have to show ID , you want to get on a plane, you have to show ID, you want to buy cigarettes, you need an ID, you want to buy booze, you need to show ID,you want to rent an apartment or buy a house, you need to show ID- yet - to vote - You somehow feel it is unnecessary? Just ignorant......

How soon that we forget the installation of Bruce Marks into the PA Senate by a Federal Court in 1993, overturning the fraudulent election of William Stinson!

That case even reached the Supreme Court of the US, where it was affirmed. The case was based on massive voter fraud and collusion by the Board of Elections.

Current photo IDs won't stop all voter fraud, but it would no doubt help stop much of it. There certainly has to be additional provisions to prevent all voter fraud. No system will ever be perfect, but current (or recently expired) ID can help stop many forms of voting fraud.

Two more recent instances of voter fraud by elected officials:

1) School board member votes in wrong town: http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2012/09/elizabeth_board_of_education_m.html

2) Congressional candidate votes in two states: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910,0,3764352.story

As I said, photo ID's won't stop ALL voting fraud, but it will go a long way in reducing it.

Bob Griffiths KNOWS voter fraud exists, but IGNORES it and LIES about it.
Here's the proof.

http://www.americanclarion.com/5500/2012/04/09/voter-id-white-guy-eric-holders-ballot/

I don't understand why anyone gives this Bob the crap slinging democRAT the time of day. He boring and a poor writer.

After I registered to vote many years ago, I received a "voter registration card". Why don't we just use those when we vote?

There's an interesting opinion piece on voter suppression in Newsday that some of you need to read. The piece seems pretty well sourced. No pictures, sorry. http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/opinion-fight-voter-fraud-without-voter-suppression-1.4003085

I am not young, I am not elderly, but lately I am becoming more poor... so I suppose I am a victim of ID Voter suppresssion based on this articles point of view. I want to know why the young the old and the poor continue to vote democrat ? Also this article is referencing a impeached President that lied under oath while he was being investigated for very bad actions towards several women, let's not forget the desecration of the Oval Office with a very young female intern, and who was Disbarred from legally practicing law as a attorney "yeah a very good source to quote"!

Happy Birthday

Democrats Trample Truth. Example: Bob Griffiths -- You are the most historically ignorant person I've ever encountered on this little site. DEMOCRATS blocked the rights of women to vote for nearly 40 YEARS after a REPUBLICAN introduced the Constitutional Amendment to ensure voting rights.

Your other LIES about the GOP and voting rights are simply that, LIES. Let me educate you, plebe -- I defy you to prove me wrong otherwise:

* 1862 Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”. 100% of Democrats opposed.

* 1865: REPUBLICANS get slavery outlawed via the 13th Amendment. 100% Republican support -- 63% Democrat OPPOSED IT.

* 1866 The REPUBLICAN Congress overrides DEMOCRAT President Johnson’s veto of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to African-Americans.

* 1866: REPUBLICANS (94% vote YES) pass the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to ALL citizens -- Democrats who voted NO: 100%.

* 1878, California Republican A.A. Sargent introduces the 19th Amendment but it's blocked by the Democrat-controlled Congress (Done at the request by Susan B. Anthony)

* 1878 - 1919: Democrats repeatedly block the 19th Amendment. When they lose control of the Congress, the 19th Amendment is passed. Democrat Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED the amendment but was forced under public and political pressure to cave in.

Take you lies somewhere else Bob Griffiths...you will lose any attempt to defeat me or the truth.

I defy Bob Griffiths to defend such racists as:

* Woodrow Wilson: Denied admission of Blacks as President of Princeton University. Close allies with the KKK and the racist D.W. Griffith whose movie, "Birth of a Nation" portrayed the KKK as celebrities and heros!

* Al Gore Sr.: Who never lifted a finger to stop the state birthday celebration of Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the KKK. Al Gore Sr. refused to support Civil Rights legislation while in the Senate. He participated in a 74-day-long filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation!

* Robert Byrd: It was well-known Byrd was a recruiter for the KKK! Read what this pig wrote during WWII: "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." — Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Democratic Senator Theodore Bilbo of Mississippi.

Come on Bob! Deny it!

bayboat: You are right on the money. If it's one thing I can't stand, it's a liar -- it's especially disgusting when the historical facts are burned into my mind like the Pythagorean equation of a2 + b2 = c2.

I don't hail every Republican as some demi-god, either. Nixon was a bum in my eyes. I can't say a nice word about the man -- and he was pretty nasty when it came to race and religion (just listen to the Watergate tapes or read the transcripts).

...but don't lie about this racist history of the Democrats. It's as plain as can be --- the apologists here make some lame claim about "Dixiecrats" migrating to the Republican Party -- that's a lie too! The real noteworthy Dixiecrat that crossed lines was Strom Thurmond -- and again, no love for the guy either (look at his marathon Civil Rights Act of '57 filibuster and you'll know what I mean.)

The overwhelming majority of the Dixiecrats STAYED PUT in with the Democrats.

I enjoy debates on military tactics, political ideas, and so on -- but for someone like
Bob Griffiths to be given space on Patch to lie about history simply turns my stomach.

Here's a question for BOTH sides of this "discussion". HOW MANY TIMES should the ballot of an individual voter be counted in a primary election? This seems like an insipid question, I know - "One man, one vote" is the goal, right?

The same ideal proponents of a voter ID law espouse.

The same ideal folks asking for (and, in my opinion, rightly) latitude in obtaining military absentee ballots, so as not to disenfranchise those who serve, propose.

Can we agree that, when you walk into the polls in a primary election, you are a single voter? Can we agree that your vote for candidates for President, Vice President, Senator, Congressman, Freeholder(s), Sheriff, Mayor, Council Persons, and even Dog-Catcher, represent you as a single voter?

Discuss...(there is a VERY important reason I am asking this.)

John Jay- Mr Griffiths is talking about "present day" Republicans and their concerted attempts to limit minorities and the poor. . .the right to vote. And to turn the tables on your argument. . .it was the Republican Party of olde who championed the voting rights amendment. . .So where is this olde Republican Party today that should be standing up for the rights of minorities, the poor, and the elderly to empower their Constitutional right to vote?

It's a shame that Nathan Bedford Forrest's "claim to fame" in this day and age is as founder of the Klan. The guy was a helluva cavalry commander whose tactics are still taught at West Point.

As far as the whole voter ID thing is concerned... You really should have to show ID to vote. If voting is a right, then a provision needs to be made to provide ID for those unable to obtain it on their own, but... It should be required.

Hey Bob, I want to see you with a placard sign outside my town. They require me to show NJ DL when I vote. I mean this is an outrage. Not like Newark, Trenton and Camden where little or no iD is required. Funny how pollsters show little or no turnout there yet the ballots number in the 10s of 1000s and, wow, they all vote for democrats. Go figure. Hmmm, how are those bastions of democrat rule looking these days. Squalor and rampant crime and democrat rule are what they are known for (didnt mayor of Trenton just get indicted).

100-plus years of championing voting rights deservedly belong to the Republicans. You can't splice the hairs on this, Spooner. The Republican Party lost the PR war against the Democrats, which is a shame.

So are you trying to say showing ID TAKES AWAY voting rights? In this day of identity theft, it's reassuring that there are people with enough common sense to require ID.

I have to show ID when I vote, Spooner -- and sign the log book with an image of signature -- even though the same group of seniors who run the polls know me by name.

The Democrats hate the ID legislation because it de-rerails their attempt to steal elections using whatever means possible.

So go away, Spooner. You don't have facts or history on your side.

The GOP is PROTECTING honest voters by forcing the hand of the historically corrupt practices of Democrats!

The events of the day, as Mr. Griffiths so declares, are that the sovereign states are enforcing the voting laws as laid out by the Federal Government. The Federal Law says that you must be a US citizen and be at least eighteen years of age to vote. It then places the enforcement of this upon the individual states.
So, by making sure that people are legally allowed to vote, the sovereign states are just enforcing the Federal law. No one is taking away anyone's right to vote. If you can apply for welfare, for disability, for food stamps, have a mailing address or p.o. box, a social security number, then you can very easily acquire the necessary verification of citizenship and age to be able to vote.
But then, since The Patch is owned by Huffington, we can't go spreading the truth now, can we?

He is a idiot. Enough said

Once again, rude, uninformed, ill-informed, knee-jerk, name-calling, bigoted TEABAGGERS come out in force to debase and denigrate others' opinion -- instead of simply stating their own (opposing) opinion and backing it up with FACTS or CITATIONS.
Never before in my life have I ever been *this* disgusted and yes, actually afraid of where our country is headed - because of the likes of Teabaggers and Right-wing extremists. You guys are the "American Taliban" and you are not good for this society or our future.

This blog is laughable. Maybe we should discuss Acorn and list some REAL facts. Libbys seldom want to tell the whole truth or the whole story which is the same as lying. You know who else typically vote Democrat? Teachers on every level, especially in college. This probably accounts for this uninformed writer's claim that young people typically vote that way as well. Libby's don't care about anyone's rights. They care only about how THEY see things and if you don't see them the same way then it won't just be a simple agreement; you will become the enemy. It's all venom and lies. Bob, calling you a fool would be an insult to fools.

excuse me: Simple agreement should be simple disagreement.

This whole argument about requiring an ID being suppression is ridiculous-The fear is that they will no longer get the voters anymore who are dead, yes there's lots of them voting every election, those illegally in the US, the criminals who have lost the right to vote and others who value voting so highly that they can't be bothered to register ahead of time. It's time to stop the fraud already! You need an ID now for everything, you can't get on a plane without one, NJ required ALL drivers to get one with a photo years ago, I know I had to go because I am old! and if they don't have one well it's time they get one, for many many reasons. Out of state Students can vote very easily by mail-again they need to think two seconds ahead of time if it's important to them. Those that don't shouldn't vote!

An attack on Republicans without any SUBSTANCE from a Democrat.

Wouldn't you know?

This read was child-like.

Are you claiming the timeline I posted was wrong, Mattie? I defy you to prove it wrong.

The term you are labeling members of the Tea Party movement is associated with a perverted sexual act. I suggest you try a different approach, like facts and logic so that you don't look so foolish next time.

"Mattie 7:09 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 Once again, rude, uninformed, ill-informed, knee-jerk, name-calling, bigoted TEABAGGERS come out in force to debase and denigrate others' opinion -- instead of simply stating their own (opposing) opinion and backing it up with FACTS or CITATIONS."

How about all the people that don't get off their buts and vote. We have an embarrassing amount of people who don't bother to vote. I understand it is not possible for everyone to vote at every election. I myself missed election day when I had to leave town for a family funeral several years ago.By the way it is ridiculous that with the technology we have these days we still can't vote some way in an emergency situation like I had. Actually there should be some way college students and others that are unable to go to their local polls be able to vote besides a mail in absentee ballot. There are to many problems with the mail to depend on it to vote. We can buy any crap we want with a push of a button but they can't find a way to fix this issue for people who can't get to their polls? We have more problems than just ID with our voting system but there isn't enough space to list them here.

Mattie -- I defy you to prove one error in fact in my post (that was posted yesterday).
Let me educate you, plebe:

* 1862 Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”. 100% of Democrats opposed.

* 1865: REPUBLICANS get slavery outlawed via the 13th Amendment. 100% Republican support -- 63% Democrat OPPOSED IT.

* 1866 The REPUBLICAN Congress overrides DEMOCRAT President Johnson’s veto of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to African-Americans.

* 1866: REPUBLICANS (94% vote YES) pass the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to ALL citizens -- Democrats who voted NO: 100%.

* 1878, California Republican A.A. Sargent introduces the 19th Amendment but it's blocked by the Democrat-controlled Congress (Done at the request by Susan B. Anthony)

* 1878 - 1919: Democrats repeatedly block the 19th Amendment. When they lose control of the Congress, the 19th Amendment is passed. Democrat Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED the amendment but was forced under public and political pressure to cave in.

said Township Administrator Scott Pezarras. “My father and teachers always told me to leverage, if you can buy things with others people’s money, then do it.

Liberals love to spend other peoples money

The objective of the Socialist/Democrats is to create a dependent class of people -- a MOB -- that they can use as a weapon against the honest, working people.

It's one of the oldest, dirty tricks in the political book.

marylou -- Your ignorant statement demonstrates you are politically naive. The Socialist/Democrats tactic manual is pretty simple:

* ad hominem attacks
* race-card
* class warfare
* deliberate lies

They "leaders" of today's Socialist/Democrats are followers of Saul Alinsky -- the Leftist who wrote "Rules for Radicals" -- which is the playbook for people of Obama's ilk. Alinsky was a long-time Chicago radical.

Another hero of Obama is William Ayers -- another Chicago radical and unconvicted terrorist who dedicated a book to Sirhan Sirhan (assassin of Robert Kennedy). Ayers and his wife are responsible for numerous terrorist bombings in the US and the murder of American citizens.

Do you want to challenge me on this, too? Seriously -- you are like the Monty Python Black Knight. Your arms and legs are gone, but you still keep going! Laughable!

The "Democrats" on Patch are woefully uneducated on basic fundamentals of U.S. history and our Constitution. It's starting to get boring exposing this -- so if I don't reply to quickly, it's because they are such easy targets!

.Spooner
10:11 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

jerry- I'm laughing even more!. . .Yeah right those Republicans like Governor Tom Corbett of the in play state of Pennsylvania according to Flop News...along with his GOP controlled legislature had nothing to do with the voter id law there. . .What world to you habitat in?

... You're probably laughing because you're hooked up to a nitreous Oxide mask or something, your comment had absolutely nothing to do with what I had commented on, but now that you mention Gov. Tom Corbett & the Republicans,,,I say bully for them they are doing the right thing & you have presented no argument that supports ID equals suppression, or that such laws inconvenience Democrats, poor...ETC. more so than it inconveniences Republicans.

Once again I say the party (Democrats) that opposes tighter voter controls is the party that benefits from voter fraud the most.

You Teapublicans crack me up. You are either deliberately dishonest or blind. Yes, I understand that facts tend to frighten and confuse you but facts don't disappear. It's really nothing more than a desperate ploy of a pathetically desperate party.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/perspectives/masters-of-voter-suppression-republicans-employ-many-techniques-to-keep-low-income-voters-away-from-the-polls-648218/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/11/maddow-republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-deadly-serious/

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169642/republicans-boast-about-voter-suppression-tampa-ground-shifting#

Many of the comments in reference to my blog are thoughtful and well stated, others are not. Despite claims of "liberal lies" not one of my points, observation, or opinions was proven to be based on inaccuracies. The history of our great nation is one of political debate, from debates between patriots and loyalists to the Federalist Papers, there is a proud tradition of political expression. Name calling and personal attacks are the tools of the thoughtless and uninformed and do not represent the best of us or the best that we can be as a nation and people. It would be helpful if Patch would show respect for their own guidelines and filter the personal attacks and name calling.

Really, Bob? You responded to one of my comments early on "Voter fraud doesn't exist". Repeat that for us. Do you really want to bring up ACORN?
BTW, I also work the polls on election days and I see how easy it would be to cheat, especially if I were of the same party of the voter.

Really? The poor have to show ID to get food stamps and welfare so it should be no problem. This is a big smokescreen for the democrats to be able to mobilize legions of illegal aliens to vote for them. It will also allow " democrat community organizers" to pay the same people to vote over and over again. Showing ID and verifying residency should not be a problem for any legitimate voter. Progressive liberals are willing to do anything to achieve their dream of a socialist utopia in the USA. The problem is when you finally run out of other peoples money. This election is for the very survival of the USA as a Constitutional Republic, make no mistake about it. Financial collapse is around the corner if Obama is allowed to continue fundamentally transforming America. http://bit.ly/Qlkcsc

Bob Griffiths, your thoughts are ignorant and deny American history. Republicans serving as the vanguard for voting and civil rights for women and African-Americans. So, I defy you again to prove the following facts are wrong:

* 1862 Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”. 100% of Democrats opposed.

* 1865: REPUBLICANS get slavery outlawed via the 13th Amendment. 100% Republican support -- 63% Democrat OPPOSED IT.

* 1866 The REPUBLICAN Congress overrides DEMOCRAT President Johnson’s veto of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to African-Americans.

* 1866: REPUBLICANS (94% vote YES) pass the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to ALL citizens -- Democrats who voted NO: 100%.

* 1878, California Republican A.A. Sargent introduces the 19th Amendment but it's blocked by the Democrat-controlled Congress (Done at the request by Susan B. Anthony)

* 1878 - 1919: Democrats repeatedly block the 19th Amendment. When they lose control of the Congress, the 19th Amendment is passed. Democrat Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED the amendment but was forced under public and political pressure to cave in.

there IS no voter fraud.... see: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/04/24/the-myth-of-voter-fraud
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Then why is there a public perception that there's a problem?

I think there are a lot of political leaders who have perpetuated this myth for partisan purposes, and when you look at it superficially it's a believable argument. But they tend to conflate the different types of fraud that could occur in the election system and sort of mix together voter registration fraud, and voter absentee fraud, and other types of issues, and stir it all up in a pot, and come up with voter identification requirements that would do nothing to address the relatively minor problems that we have in the system.

What's going on with voter ID requirements?

We have seen an incredible wave of legislation since the 2010 elections, when Republicans took over a number of state legislatures. A number of states have passed ID legislation in the past year and a half or so. And now I think you're starting to see a backlash, particularly in the courts, where judges are looking at the evidence and saying, this is discriminatory, this is voter suppression, and there's no need for it.

[Susan Milligan: What James O'Keefe Gets Wrong About Voter Fraud]

Pa. Supreme Court remanded the case back to the lower court. Step in the right direction.

What a lame argument. It is clear that the only way Democrats feel they can win is to cheat. You need a picture ID to get on a plane, rent a car, check into a hotel, pick up tickets from a box office, but the Democrats don't want to have people show ID for one of the most important, precious acts in life - voting. Hey Bob Griffiths, instead of trying to help Democrats cheat, why not fight for the right to have our brave soldiers votes count? Or are you afraid they won't vote the same as illegals, felons or the deceased in Chicago?

How does everyone like what's going on in the media? It looks bad for Romney. CNN, CNBC channels, 2,4,7 all ripping him apart, and I can't watch. The same thing happened last election with McCain. You can't say anything about Tephlon OBAMA. He's untouchable.

Lisa Marinos -- The biased "news" media have people in leadership positions that are obviously skilled in psychological operations (PSYOPs).

What is their goal? Well, it certainly isn't the security of our liberty! Name ONE THING Obama and his allies have done to improve our liberty?

It's obvious "they" don't want people to become better informed and to have the ability to critically analyze the erosion of our liberty, economy, and position in the world.

The "biased" news media you Repubs complain about are simply biased in favor of getting sunlight on the facts.

There's no "grand conspiracy" just because Repubs don't want the facts known. When Mitt says one thing (actually, several flip-flops) and the facts prove otherwise, that's not bias by a reporter, or an editor, or the publisher. That's just the truth, like it or not, Repubs!

Don't blame the messenger -- blame the source. Hold your canddiates responsible for their flip-flops, their distortions and their outright lies in a desperate attempt to brainwash voters. Put a fork in 'em. Mitt and Lyin' Ryan are done. The media simply reports the sad story.

So going back to what I was saying about educators being liberal and pushing their influence on our youth...: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/college-prof-on-leave-after-forcing-students-to-sign-pledge-to-vote-for-obama/

Unfortunately for candidate Romney he is now learning a tough lesson; the lesson is that when you run for President or serve as our President, you are in the eye of the storm, the media storm. Everything you say and everything you do is analyzed. Romney needs to realize that being President is not like running Bain Capital. At Bain Capital he could dictate, hire a PR Firm to do the dirty work or simply sell or outsource as he pleased with no concern for the “little” people. But as President of the United States, those “little” people, that 47% of Americans that he looks down his nose at, count and are deserving of his respect. So instead of complaining about the “big, bad media, Romney needs to man up and realize that if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen…and one more thing, Romney should never speak before you knows the facts because Americans are in harm’s way and if the President shoots and aims later their lives are at stake, not his.

Keeping using those "class warfare" talking points from the DNC, Bob Griffiths!

In the 2004 presidential election, the major "unbiased" news media reported, before the polls even closed in the west, that John Kerry had a 'significant' lead of more than 10 points in exit polling in Virginia & other states. The facts were that John Kerry lost Virginia by more than 10 points, and that was the trend in Virginia from when the first votes were coming in through the whole night.

If you know anything about polls, they are usually + or - about 3 points, if conducted objectively. So how was the news media off by more than 20 points?

Were they trying to influance the election? Are they that incompetant? or are they Democrat/liberal biased? No matter what they were NOT reporting the news. This is only one of many such instances, I challenge anyone to find such instances in FAVOR of a Republican or Conservative in major news media.

In our little town, the democrats recruit UNDERAGED voters to flat out lie on their voting application and get a card so they can vote....for them. The underaged dummies show up at the polls and say "ok, now what do I do? who am I voting for?" and, the democrats who set them up get MAD if you call them out on it. People are just idiots.....nothing else. Who cares if you're a D or an R, an idiot begins with an I.

Republicans just killed the Veterans Jobs Bill ! A Disgrace, Vote Them Out !!!

Republicans need to cheat to win as No serious voter fraud exists. Why make people jump through hoops?

Republicans just killed the Veterans Jobs Bill, A Disgrace, Vote Them Out !!!

Tonto, this is the same uninformed dribble you used to clog up the pages of the APP with. No substance, not thought, no supportive information, just ignorance. Familiarize yourself with ACORN if you want to discuss cheating to win.

Democrats killed America in 2008. Vote them out and we'll revive America!

Fox "News" owned by Murdoch is jeopardy of losing it's broadcasting license because of Murdoch tapping phones in England.

Bob Griffiths,

Candidly - your intital argument was boring and subsequent rebuttals rather childish. I am guessing that you are a member of the teachers union, or gorvernment employee.

Regardless, I am impressed that you can type at the same time you have your hand out.

I would suggest that you address further opinion to the editor of the NY Times. Their readership is more akin to your "opinions".

Me - in one word regarding your recent rants -- "Yawn".

Have a great day - and with all your leaning - don't fall off the edge

Republicans are so desperate to win the Presidency that they trampling on the Constitution and trying to destroy our democratic process. Republicans are trying to keep the Libertarian Party candidate for President, Gary Johnson, off the ballot in states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, and DC by filling one legal challenge after another against the Libertarian candidate endorsed by Ron Paul. Another Republican attempt to deny American citizens of their right to vote.

Bob you had better take the blinders off. Everyday we have to prove who we are, traffic stops, hospital care, cashing checks, credit card purchase, enter a public building such as a courthouse, police station, federal building, etc. Come out of the house once in a while and find out about life. If you want to vote then prove who you are and that you have the right to vote or maybe you forgot about the 50's, 40's when people in NJ, Chicago, Detroit and parts of NYC voted 2 or 3 times andf even the dead voted.

"Suppress the vote"??? Prove it Bob! Give us an FBI Civil Rights Division Report that SPECFICALLY NAMES PEOPLE BY NAME who:

* Were directed by ANYONE in a leadership position within the Republican National Committee that have been indicted, tried, and/or convicted for:

A) Voter "suppression"

B) Disenfranchisement on college campuses.

Prove it Bob -- I defy you to produce it -- If you can't then you are obviously sending out false information.

Bob Griffiths...
I'm sorry to say it Buddy, but you are wasting your time and your typing fingers. These people (arguing with you and opposing your facts and opinions with hysterics and half-truths) have been completely - and irreversibly- indoctrinated.
It's useless. Save yourself the aggravation and frustration.

But know this, Bob, there are those of us out here who DO agree with you, and DO understand the finer points to these discussions, and DO know that not everything is Black and White, Right and Left, etc. So know that You are not alone. I think many of us are just tired of slamming our heads against this brick wall over and over again. It's disheartening and depressing there are so many Teabaggers hijacking an otherwise fairly sane and rational political party that once was called "the Republican party"

Peace.

Romney very, very well prepared for Debates, he Should do well.

Wow..

Bob, so do Democraps. THE ILLEGITAMATE TWO PARTY SYSTEM IS GUTTING THIS COUNTRY. Obama and Romney work for the same team! They string you along with programs like Faux News and Crap News Network to keep you brainwashed into the cult of celebrity and government worship. WAKE UP!!!

GOP Suing to Keep Third Parties Off Ballot in November

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12731-gop-suing-to-keep-third-parties-off-ballot-in-november

Bob can't cite ANY official reports proving GOP-run "voter suppression" because there is none.

Amazing.

The "Jobs bill" was voted down because it includes a clause (inserted by Democrats) which rescinds all funding for deepwater oil and gas exploration for the remainder of the year in which the bill is adopted.

This, of course, perfectly and logically follows the Democrat insistence that we "rid ourselves of our dependence on foreign oil".

"John Jay" - heard you were dead. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/29/us-usa-campaign-voterregistration-idUSBRE88R1GL20120929

Could use your wisdom on the Supreme Court, were you "that" John Jay.

Meanwhile - Uncle Moe is right - the two party system is a myth - A "Two-Horse Race where the same stables owns BOTH horses". There is an old oriental proverb..."When the horse is dead - DISMOUNT."

I am running as a third choice for the VACANCY in the House of Representatives in D.C. for this District. I would welcome the support of any person on this forum who has read my posts about what WE are already doing for Ocean and Burlington Counties - http://lacey.patch.com/blog_posts/the-substantive-argument-raised-by-the-democratic-republicans-d9ec3c89, for starters.

Republicans voted NO for the Vets Jobs Bill even after several Republicans help write the bill, talk about Obstructionists.

So our Young Returning Vets now have to wait till spring for RepublicanObstructionists to maybe finally vote for it !

Republican Voter Fraud Now in Important Swing State Florida, are the Republicans trying to steal another Presidential Election?

This thred of debate started off with Mr Griffith's preposterous statement 'Republicans Trample Our Voting Rights'

The comments have wandered along a multitude of side roads.
However Mr. Griffith's, & no one else has been able to back up that statement with facts....STILL!

Bob did leave two links the first http://www.thenation.com/blog/169733/bill-clinton-gop-voter-suppression-laws-sign-desperation
You can follow this one, My Read on this is that The Nation, an obviously far, far, left leaning rag, (just browse their site you'll see what I mean) Mainly is reporting statements & speeches by former President Clinton, to back up their obviously Liberal/Democrat/Socialist view, it is NOT actual reporting, it is an attempt at furthering their Agenda, devoid of any real facts except what Ole Bill said in his obvious biased opinion of what he sees as Republican Malfeasance. BTW Mr Clinton has been disbarred as a Lawyer for lies told in a government probe, also he doesn't even know what Sex is!

Bob's 2nd link http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-id-vote/story?id=17206253#.UFHbvaN5mK0

Is ABC News (We all know they're not Biased...RIGHT!) They tell of a harrowing tale, of people in Pennsylvania, having to travel up to 30 miles ...Egads!!, and having to wait up to 59 minutes...Oh the Horrors!! to get their photo ID's, some said it was too much they may not vote!

What seems to be lacking in this report is the facts that BOTH Republican Voters, as well as Democrats, & Independents have to go through the same process, but only if they are not already a liscensed driver, or have any other State or Federal form of acceptable Photo ID, which means only a small fraction of a percent of voters even have to worry about this process anyway. I guess our Voting process for some people, isn't worth any real effort.

Since Mr Griffiths cloaked his article in a tale of our brave soldiers, protecting the voting rights of Iraqis. I would wonder the opinion of one of those soldiers, or Iraqi citizens, on these perils faced by Pa. Voters, since they had to brave land mines, snipers, & RPG's to vote there. 59 min. or 30 miles seem rather insignificant in the face of that!

Frederick John LaVergne -- The body of John Jay may be dead, but his spirit lives on in his writings. If people would go back and READ what Jay, Madison, Jefferson, Tucker; and the other founders wrote, we would NOT be in the problem we have today.

As for your link: It shows that the GOP in Florida was on the ball for firing a company that did bogus voter registration. Isn't that a good thing?

JJ - it sure is. I support neither party, and that was evidence that somebody was on the ball down there - not only cutting the firm pulling the shenanigans loose, but apologizing for it. Not swept under the rug. Believe it or not, we would probably fall on the same side of almost every issue, from what I read. People don't understand why we chose to run as "Democratic-Republicans". It was because, as Lewis Black put it, choosing between the two major parties is like trying to pick up a dog turd by the clean end. We considered using nom de plumes in "The American Aurora" - a new online blog we're beginning - the campaign is taking to much time because of all the court we've had to go through - an effective strategy by our opposition - deny us a pulpit in the press, busy us with court, and refuse to engage on any issue. Meanwhile, Rome burns. The PEOPLE who consider themselves part of either party are not to blame - it is the leadership...more to the point, the REAL leadership - the Norcross, Gilmore, and the like. Yup, named 'em. You already knew that, though. Can't take that thought further here, though, or we'll have yet another court date - this time, from the wrong side. We propose bringing back exactly the Statesmanship to which you refer, but which a multi-poster on here, pospatch, seems to find anathema. Another of our proposals being drafted is the "Responsible Representation Act", which would require that a bill only contain language on that subject.

By the way - this is why I don't "tweet". You might notice that many of my posts make it to the 1500 character limit. I am in no way the "master of the elevator speech".

To continue - I find so much "crap" (= pork) in these bills. The TARP bill may have been the grand-daddy of them all, with subsidies for "manufacturers of Port Orford Cedar Arrows for Recreational Use in Oregon", for example...no, that's not made up.

Often, the minority parties will propose a bill that looks good on the surface, but with language contained within which the majority party would be embarrassed to have passed. Consequently, unless they take the bait, nothing gets done - Why Reagan wanted a line-item veto. Look at ACA - what is the original title of that docket?

My opponent has proposed the same language in more than one bill....why? No sense asking him - he doesn't know. He runs the plays the coaches call. Would he sign the "Change the Rules Pledge"? No way. His handlers would have a stroke. He's not a bad guy - he's sort of trapped. Remember, too, this is the guy who's answer to the question "Name a Supreme Court Decision from the last 10-15 years that you disagree with" posed in his debate with MR. ADLER....his answer? "Dred Scott". Give him a "D" and pass him - he's a football player. Hey, at least it was Supreme Court decision. Adler was no dummie. His wife supports ACA, but he didn't, not because he really didn't, but because he had party permission in an R District.

Jerry Moore: ID's for voters make sense! It combats the FRAUD -- which is usually the speciality among Democrats.

Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Halted by Judge (Oct. 2, 2012, 11:30 AM)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-enforcement-halted-by-judge/2012/10/02/bf240ffc-0c9d-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html

John Jay....what fraud? Oh the GOP fraud? Oh for sure they are on the ball...they knowingly hired a questionable company, had them change their name, paid them over three million dollars, and then fired them!!!!! That fraud ???

John Jay talks the talk...until you confront him with facts. . .then he doesn't respond!

You know what is odd. In Brick, you need an id to get beer, a drivers license, pay with a check at a store or sign up for benefits BUT for some reason we don't think it's ok to ask for proof when voting when billions of dollars being doled out are at stake.

http://www.twp.brick.nj.us/content.asp?ContentId=2333

If someone gets pulled over by the police, they have to show id.

If people are legit, what are the afraid of?