Point Beach Tables Early Bar Closing Ordinance
Negotiations ongoing, says town and Jenkinson's
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Point Beach Council, citing ongoing negotiations with bar owners, voted unanimously on Tuesday night to table an ordinance that would close bars early or collect fees from them.
The ordinance sets fees to stay open past midnight based on maximum occupancy.
Councilman Bret Gordon said that he and Councilmen William Mayer and Michael Corbally have been meeting with owners of Jenkinson's and Martell's, negotiating for a solution acceptable to all sides.
He said that while those negotiating sessions involve only the two boardwalk businesses, he has also spoken to owners of smaller bars and restaurants.
Resident Ben Dispoto, a resident on Parkway, berated the council for taking too long to take a vote either on the ordinance or another measure that would help control problems stemming from alcohol, such as the spike in crime last summer.
"We've been talking about this since last August," Dispoto said.
Mayor Vincent Barrella responded, "I believe by the next meeting or the first meeting in May (May 1), we'll have a resolution to this or we'll have an ordinance."
"I'm concerned that you're saying maybe May, because that's a month away," DiSpoto said, in an exasperated tone.
"We're further along than we've ever been," Gordon said. "We're moving forward trying to craft something not only in the best interest of the taxpayers, but also for the businesses in town."
Marilou Halvorsen, Jenkinson's marketing director, was in attendance at the meeting and got up to leave a while after the vote to table. Attorneys for Jenkinson's had left after the vote to table.
When asked outside the meeting if the vote to table is a good sign for Jenkinson's, she said she didn't know.
"But anytime you're going to implement a serious ordinance, you should think about it in-depth because it affects a lot of businesses," she said. "You want to look into all of the long-term ramifications."
She said she has been in on the negotiations, but said she cannot discuss specifics at this point.
After the meeting, Barrella said the talks with businesses are "a means of addressing problems that happened last summer for the benefit of the residents and the businesses."
During the meeting, Dave Cavagnaro, a resident who lives on Parkway, asked Gordon if he has met with all affected businesses. Gordon replied that he has not met with all, but has met with small and large businesses.
The decision to consider the early bar ordinance was not sudden. It came from months of discussion during and after last summer, which police describe as the summer with the highest crime rate on weekends in the past 17 years.
It also came from a long-running disagreement about whether Jenkinson's Boardwalk should pay for special event fees for some of their larger events which some on council have said could help pay for summer police services.
The Chamber of Commerce pays special event fees for its annual Festival of the Sea in September to help pay for police coverage and also directly pays off-duty municipal public works employees to clean up afterwards.
When Gordon was asked after the meeting if the issue of special event fees is also being discussed at the meetings, he said, "We're bundling a lot of things together to come up with a good solution for the municipal side and the business side.
"I can't get into specifics now because the negotiations are ongoing," he added. "But we're having good sessions. I think both sides are learning from each other."
An ordinance has been on the books requiring such fees, but Jenkinson's has not paid them. Halvorsen has said the company will not pay fees for events that are part of Jenkinson's conducting their normal course of business.
Lucille Buonocore, who lives in the Harbor Head condominium complex, near the boardwalk on the north end, asked Councllman Tim Lurie if he has a conflict of interest voting on boardwalk matters since he had testified for Jenkinson's in litigation with Harbor Head.
"You were a witness for Jenkinson's in that case and that case is still going on, so should you be voting on this?" she asked.
Lurie replied that he had, in his professional capacity as an engineer with DW Smith Associates, testified regarding historical photographs about the historical use of the Jenkinson's property on the north end.
"It had nothing to do with liquor licenses," he said. "And my part of it was over two years ago. I've asked attorneys if I have a conflict and they've said no."
Cathy Kelly
10:59 pm on Tuesday, April 3, 2012
This is Good news. They are working together and hopefully the negotiations will work out for the residents and the businesses as well......
Commentator 27
11:37 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Cath Kelly------You are so right----this is the begining of the end for your boy Barrrella and his bullies. They have been exposed. They are not and never were interested in quality of life---they are interested in only one thing----reelection. They want to trumpet how much money they can get from the Boardwalk so they can get more of their kind elected and reelected.. But the bar owners are not going to put up with this extortion. This will end in a lawsuit the Borough cannot win----but it willl be worth it to end Barrella's politcal career.
Vince Barrella
4:04 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Cathy
I have stayed away from commenting on the discussions that are going on between members of the governing body and the liquor industry and will not do so now. However, I can only laugh when the nameless bloggers come up with all sorts of far-fetched conspiracy theories, such as, the council did not move to close the bars at 12:00, therefore, the council is only interested in money. Of course, if the council moved to close the bars at 12:00 then the council would only be interested in destroying the "tourism" industry. If an agreement is reached that makes everyone happy, then any such agreement will be portrayed as a political ploy. No one has ever suggested what benefit members of the council get from being on the council. Maybe they should try that on a member by member basis and maybe they will realize how silly their nameless comments truly are. If someone wants to speak with me they can call me at (732) 330-7910 or e-mail me at vbarrella@pointbeach.org. I have no intention of defending the governing body against the nameless bloggers on this website who offer up all kinds of opinions and advice, legal and otherwise.
Vince
Keep it Real
6:42 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Mr. Barrella----you have run your last three campaigns on getting the Boardwalk to pay more, some say as a vendetta for the role you perceive these business owners had in the recall, you can’t expect anyone to believe that what the council is doing is anything but your bidding.
As to what you get out of being Mayor, anyone who has had any contact with you knows the answer: you believe you are smarter than the rest of us, and you have an ego to match. You stroke your ego each time you win an election, despite the ever shrinking margin of victory, and you stroke your ego during your bi-weekly performances presiding at council meetings from your bully pulpit. Who are you trying to kid?
If you were truly interested in residents, instead of selfishly fanning division to win wlwctions, you would step aside and let someone like former Mayor Pasola try and bring us all back together.
A Resident
8:59 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
keep it real....if you think the short time that Pasola served as Mayor was productive and/or good....you are either Jack himself or his wife.
Marlene Blotto
5:40 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Vinny:
Now you are trying to shift the blame to the council. It is YOU who has been trying to destroy the tourism industry since before day one in office. Think your slope is getting pretty slippery.
Shawn Mennessey
11:07 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
@Marlene Blotto, We all know where the blame should be shifted. hahaha.... chuckle chuckle.
JohnnyT
5:46 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Political Corruption = Dishonest, Unscrupulousness, double-dealing, fraudulence.....This smells funny all the way around.
Joan Vuocolo
9:35 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
@Keep It Real...well said!!!! Finally, someone who understands!!!
Beach_N8iv
8:03 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
"I'm concerned that you're saying maybe May, because that's a month away," DiSpoto said, in an exasperated tone."
Uh oh, the squeaky wheels in District 4 didn't get their way IMMEDIATELY so now it's time for a little foot stampy tantrum. A whole month???? OH NO! JOIN THE CLUB! Some of us have been complaining about issues in OUR areas for FIFTEEN YEARS or more and are just now seeing some improvement.
Cathy Kelly
9:55 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Keep it real/Joan,you do realize that when you say the council is doing Barellas bidding that you are insulting Bill Mayer,Bret Gordon,Corbally etc...I had a few email exchanges with Mr.Mayer and Mr.Gordon and I have to say that I think they want to do whats right for the residents..If you don't know them than maybe you should get to know them and if you do know them already than you are saying that they are doing things because Barella is telling them to. Ms.Tooker never got a fair shot and I am sure that the people that are insulting her and the others never took the time to reach out to any of them....it's so easy to criticize but unless you actually spoke to any of the council members,your criticism is baseless. And Yes,i have emailed ALL of them and have always gone straight to the source and than formed an opinion....And I have done the same with the BW.....so lets see,have you gone to the source????
outside looking in
8:05 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Johnny, let's call a spade a spade here. This was never about fixing the quality of life and controlling the rowdy behavior by the visitors. It's been and always will be about greed and money. I'm sure some "feel good" agreement will be struck and the poor residents in district four will be told everything will be fine and they have it all straightened out. Meanwhile the only losers in this will be the residents. The boardwalk will stay open until its normal time, the council will get some extra cash to throw at the disgruntled employees, and the residents will be lead like sheep to the slaughter. Like I said in an earlier post, midnight bar closings was putting the town in the right direction but this money grab by the council is a true disservice to the people who elected them.
Part Timer
10:19 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
To the Mayor and Council,
Why not keep the ordinance open so that the pressure is still on the Business owners and you still maintain control of the situation at least until final vote. You just lost and gave up all control and power by voting to table the ordinance.
To table the ordinance with a solution is one thing, but to table and say we are in negotiations with them is a big mistake and a win for them.
Cathy Kelly
10:28 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Part timer, I believe it is only tabled until the next meeting. Thats what I understand from the article in the Asbury Park Press.
http://www.app.com/article/20120403/NJNEWS/304030076/Point-Beach-council-postpones-vote-alcohol-ban-restaurants-bars-after-midnight?odyssey=mod|newswell|text||p
Spooner
11:18 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Ms Kelly: in one breath you open up here telling us:"Good news". . . and now your back with the veiled threats. . . still flexing your political stick. . .And don't tell us what the APP wrote. . .we all can read what was written right here. . .it said the same thing!. . . You think by passing an Ordinance...it's a slam dunk. . .It doesn't work that way. It's evident that you have no understanding of legal wording in ordinance proposals. There subject to passing statute and Constitutional muster... and this one also needs the approval of the ABC. . .then they can be challenged. The other issue with that ordinance has to do with the fees. . .which raises all kinds of legal challenges? I believe that's a legislative function...power being reserved to the state to enact. . .Not to mention Federal violations of equality under the law. . .you can't have selective enforcement of closing times in a municipality based on a fee. . .I think others here have called it extortion?
Part Timer
10:30 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
To the Mayor and Council,
Is the over night parking plan in place or is that up for another vote as well.
Is the Noise Ordinance moving forward or has that been tabled as well.
Has anyone spoke to the Chief in regards to how to position the police in district 4 in the summer months instead of being on the boardwalk all the time.
Have you come to a conclusion on the ordinance for animal house and how it be monitored on the weekends.
PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE ALREADY.
outside looking in
10:51 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
I think part timer is starting to see the light. Nothing is getting done. It's all a big charade.
Cathy Kelly
11:22 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Spooner,where are my veiled threats??? Please take your meds....
outside looking in
9:22 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Sounds like someone or something struck a nerve with Barrella. He doesn't like to face defeat but knows the votes to close the bars at midnight are either not there or if they are there major litigation will overturn the decision. The people of district four who put him in office will not get their way. This is for certain.
randi
7:58 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Outside:
You said a mouthful. The people in district four who made the difference in the election were Barella's intellectual equivalents---the Central intellegence absentee voting block !
Cathy Kelly
9:09 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
fyi,he didn't face defeat,he won the election twice dispite the money that it took to try and recall him. Whether you like him or not,,,He WAS ELECTED by the residents TWICE.......
Julie S.
12:04 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
I'm very confused. I live in District 4, and I know that Ms. Kelly lives in District 4, so maybe she can help me with this? Before the November election, I noticed that Reid and his running mates had said that they believed that the solution to our problems was putting more police officers out on our streets in District 4. This made sense to me. But, my neighbors told me that I should vote for Barrella and his running mates because they would close the bars early and would put in a parking plan, that those were the only solutions to our quality of life problems. Now, it looks to me like the bar closing ordinance will allow the bars who are willing to pay extra money to stay open, and we all know that will be the boardwalk bars, and I have no idea what's going on with the parking plan. The comments in this article make it sound like, if the boardwalk businesses give the Council a certain amount of money, then the ordinances won't be adopted. What's the money going to be used for? Is it for more police in District 4? Doesn't that mean that Reid and his group had the right idea in the first place? And, if more police in District 4 were the solution, then why didn't they take that $40,000 last Spring? I know that I've heard that the $40,000 was a bribe, but I can't see why that deal would be any different than this one that they're trying to work out, except that maybe the boardwalk is offering more money this year?
Cathy Kelly
1:57 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Julie,nice try but your comment supporting Reid(on the Tim Lurie article) over and over because he left his house on the Cooks Tour after he lost the election haha showed your true agenda. You will not listen to anything legitimate that anyone has to say so you have 0% credibility...
Spooner
5:01 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Julie S: Barrella was offered the $40,000. . .if you go to the town's website and pull up the minutes of the April 19, 2011 Council meeting, you'll see how he, Dave Cavagnaro, Corbally and Lt Dikun turned it into a bride scenario?
Let's have the truth
7:41 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
SO let me see if I understand: Julie S. has no credibility because she supports Reid; you support Barrella, but you are credible? Why should you have any more credibility than Julie S. You complain about tourists in District 4 and the tourists (and most residents) couldn't find your house on the map. I bet the trains passing are more disruptive (year round) where you live than the tourists. You complain about them to help your boy Barrella. 0% credibility in my book.
Seth Lyer
11:04 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Julie S, That is what is wrong with this town. We have individuals that vote on the basis what are neighbors tell us who to vote for. I would not admit that to anyone.... You are telling them that you can't make any intelligent decisions on your own. Residents need to put a little more effort by going to town meetings and see for themselves what is happening in their town. It was a bribe and advised by the prior lawyer at that time to not take the money. They had a chance to come back to the table last year and just give it under different conditions and chose not to. The decision was made not to take the bribe from the prior council. The council last year played so many games. That is how Stephen Reid got in.
Mike Corbally
11:13 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Spooner,
Our lawyer offered the $40,000 be submitted to his office with no "Strings Attached". That was evidently unacceptable to the Jenkinsons' Corporation. The Council and Police Department have made plans to continue strong enforcement starting Memorial Day Weekend. The expense of these operations are included in our 2012 budget.
Marlene Blotto
4:15 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Seth and Shawn:
We all know you are one in the same. Hope you sell your house and move away soon.
Spooner
5:40 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Seth Lyer: here's the facts from the April 19, 2011 minutes...
...Mr. McGlynn: disputed Councilman Corbally’s characterization – met with a number of citizens about putting SNAP program back into effect in District 4, and if so, if Jenkinsons would be willing to assist the Police Department in supplementing Special Officers – indicated that we would be willing to do so and offered to give $40,000 to the borough to supplement Special Officers...
...now Barrella's retort: (Mayor Barrella: inconsistent with Mr. McGlynn’s statement at last Council Meeting that he wanted to meet with Councilman Corbally to work this out, outside of Borough ordinances) Mr McGlynn: don’t think the ordinances are applicable to us (Mayor Barrella: Councilman Corbally met with you and other Jenkinsons representatives – at last Council meeting, you agreed to that meeting and you indicated you wanted to see about working something out, outside of the ordinances, because you believed the ordinances are fatally flawed, but you were going to leave that up to Mr. Gasiorowski)...
... so where's the bribe?. . .And why nearly a year later. . . there back negotiating . . .Stop putting more fuel on the fire. . .it doesn't accomplish anything!
Seth Lyer
5:45 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
@Marlene Blotto........NOOOOOOOOOOOO I am not! Wrong party! I was here first, so you sell your house and move! All the fakers who pretend they were originally from here is pathetic. Individuals say, I was from the Beach and they are actually from Brick and maybe was a resident in a hotel at one time, so I guess that qualifies you as a beach resident at one time.
Shawn Mennessey
11:10 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
We all know who you are and how many "aliias you have going at once. hahaha.....chuckle chuckle.
Darlene Motto
11:38 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
For what ever the reason is? I am just glad the businesses are willing to work together with our new council members Gordon and Mayer. I hope their can be a fair compromise and solution to all sides in helping with the extra cost that is put on the town residents for the police services that is needed in the BW area. This is not a bad thing. Lets be honest the Jersey Shore and the BW is one of the favorite things to do in the summer for most and of all ages. We need to take a deep breath and try something to make it better for the BW area residents, the entire town for that matter. We are one town and we need to work together as one. Get a balance that will work for everyone. Rather then do nothing and constantly fighting with each other because it is getting us nowhere. Heck we have residents from different districts fighting each other. I do agree with Part Timer... We also need to crack down on the Animal House, it needs to be monitored and controlled and a zero tolerance needs to put through and in place. A Noise Ordinances also needs to be put in place for at least the early morning hours. "Disturbance Ordinance"? If we start the Rice Crispies Program? Earlier in the season, it just might work. More police walking in the problem residential area should help. We need to give it all a chance before anyone says this or that will not work in my opinion. (1 of 2)
Joan Vuocolo
10:17 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
@Darlene...we finally agree on something!!! I agree with you regarding a zero tolerance policy. Not every rowdy person who roams the streets in the wee hours of the morning in Dist. 4 are coming from the boardwalk bars. Many are partying at Animal houses and even local residences and are walking to their cars. It's summertime at the Jersey Shore and everyone wants to have a good time. They forget to realize that this is home to so many of us. Anyone who is behaving inappropriately should be held accountable for their actions and should be subject to a fine. I don't believe that businesses should be held accountable for the actions of their patrons.
Cathy Kelly
10:33 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Lets have the truth,Julie S has no credibility because she does not know me or anything about me,she is listening to hearsay and if you go to the Lurie article,you will see her comment..It has nothing to do with her supporting Reid...It has to do with her posting as if she knows anything about me...I am pretty accessible,through email,phone etc...if she talked to me and formed an opinion,thats fine,,,but she didn't yet she posted comments about me based on hearsay,,only people that cannot think for themselves do that....
Darlene Motto
11:48 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
I have to admit, I have been up late at night and even in the day in the BW area were the Animal Houses were going on. Drinking on the porches on central avenue that really has nothing to do with the BW. So we need to crack down in that area too if we are going to try to make it all work. I am not saying the Bw does not have some of their customers coming out rowdy, but it is not all of them.
randi
7:34 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Darlene:
I am so pleased to see that you are beginning to see the light. I am happy because I knew eventually you would. Can't agree with you more. I grew up in the heart of Dist 4 and knew that most of the drunks and noise came from house parties, even during the daytime hours. The presence of police is a deterrent to crime. Maybe all those cops on the boardwalk should be foot patroling the streets. That way people may behave better, whether they are coming from the bars or a private party.
use common sense
8:24 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
"For what ever the reason is" ? Have you been paying attention over the last 4 plus years ? The divide and fighting comes from one person and now that person has got the council members backed into a corner in a fight they can't win. Barrella had council members Gordon, Corbally, and Tooker forge ahead into this ludicrous ordinance and now there is no way out without someone getting hurt. If the bars close at midnight they get hurt. If the council doesn't move ahead with this crazy ordinance they look like fools. If some type of deal is agreed upon it will probably not be a good one for the residents. Maybe the leaders of the town should have thought of the things you mentioned like cracking down on the animal houses and putting more of the stand around cops on the bw into the neighborhood instead of rushing into this bar closing ordinance. Barrella and Corbally had to make their political move and now it has already done immense damage.
Darlene Motto
11:57 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
@use common sense. Who ever you are? I am not going to go back and fourth with you. You are spinning and seem to be political too. Exactly what we do not need right now. It is never one person that is causing a division. There is a lot of residents who feel that businesses cause an impact. There is truth to that, it is what it is. Is it all one business causing the impact? NO! No more than one person causing a division as you claim. Is some businesses causing more than others. YES? Do I personally think the business that have bars that are considered HOT SPOTS going to have more of an impact than others wether good or bad. YES, that is reality and my opinion. In any beach area, most want to be by the beach. Everyone is going to have a different take and views on issues. Regardless of what you think of the Mayor . He has always felt an obligation was to the residents of the town because that is who votes him in. That is a reality....There is a lot of residents who have been complaining about many different town issues at the council meetings that I have been to. They are not just from district 4. I stated it has to be a combination of efforts of both the businesses helping with extra cost and cracking down being there still is an impact wether good or bad. The council has an obligation to the residents and tourist for safety. Everyone deserves to be able to have an enjoyable summer or vacation. I have heard other tourists complaining about unruly tourists.
Darlene Motto
8:25 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
randi, I have always seen the light. It has to be partnership between all parties involved. The Town, Police, Businesses, residents etc... Outsiders or special interest groups should not be involved. Fighting amongst each other is getting us nowhere. As a town we can't keep on fighting and pointing fingers at others and as to who is to blame. At the local level a lot of issues are out of our control. Believe it or not I always felt there is unfairness and unbalance in the State of NJ going on that I do not agree with. We as a town should be fighting at a higher level on many issues. As a town we send millions to the State of NJ and get very little in return. I do have a problem with this and I know I am not alone in my views. In the state of Florida, if you own property and rent out for income you pay an extra fee for all weekly, monthly rentals and they take this serious any one who is caught renting out with out charging this fee there is a $1,000 fine. Sorry, but I feel anyone who is renting should be paying towards the impact too with the exception of full time renting. I still feel as a town we should pursue trying to getting an impact or tourist tax even if it takes hard work and dedication in moving forward in the fight. As a town I do not feel we should give up. I know some might not agree, but I feel if other Towns, States, Countries and Islands have different taxes to help with tourism wether good or bad impact.
Darlene Motto
8:50 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
I just do not want to hear all the lies and spinning. It is ridiculous to hear some individuals say tourists are not going to come here and businesses are going to go out of businesses. Pretty much all type of businesses are paying some sort of fees they do not agree with. I did not always feel this way but after thinking about it and all the bickering with some Hotel owners a few years of complaining that their customers have to pay an impact tourist tax so should all the customers of rentals. I happen to agree it is unfair. Though I a sure most real-estate agents do not agree. I just feel some Hotel owners went about it the wrong way. Should have been fighting at a higher level, not blaming the town, schools, parents, residents of the town. Unfortunately taxes are funded from property owners only. Do I agree NO, there has been many complaining on the way schools are funded for a few decades now. It has been discussed and a higher level for quite sometime and no Governor has been willing to take it on. I thought Christie was going to take this challenge on and I was wrong. He just pushed it down to the local level and made it harder for all local levels. I read on this issues a few times a while back and I think NJ and Ct are the one two states left who funds schools off of property owners only and the reason why taxes are so high in NJ, other states have a combination of income,property tax and other types of taxes that is spread around amongst everyone.
randi
8:50 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Darlene:
Before we take a fight to the next level, would it make sence to try and solve our problems with tools currently available to the town ? How about community policing, enforcement of ordinances and codes, perhaps a neighborhood watch program ??
These are things that can happen tomorrow rather than waiting for someone in Trenton to approve new taxes. Maybe municipal workers need to be redeployed to meet the service demands. I think if the bars were completely closed you would still have problems in Dist 4. It is the nature of a summer resort and not unique to the Beach. Rather than our town leaders comparing us to Newark we should look at how crime and social misobedience has been curtailed in comparable resort destinations.
Darlene Motto
1:04 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Randi, I have no problem with community policing. Who is willing to be the leader of this volunteering enforcement? How long are they willing to do it for nothing? I have no problem in trying before an approval of new taxes from Trenton. It would be nice to get council support. Why shouldn't Point Beach be able to get help as well as other towns. We need to make someone realize that the little town of Point Beach needs help also. There is enough taxes going to Trenton from our town businesses. Is it even close in comparison in what we are getting from town businesses. Not even close. It is almost ridiculous. I am not going to comment on municipal workers I am not working side by side with them. I have no idea what they do or what their responsibilities are. It is easy for everyone to say they can do more and more work. Let me be clear, it is not that I want businesses to go away or even close down at 12. But I have to disagree with you that the town would have the same problems, impact or cost if they were gone or closed down early. Randi, It has been curtailed in comparable to other resort destinations, Belmar along with other resort beach towns has cracked down and most have seen an improvement. From what I understand some towns have closed 12 and put stipulations against liquor licenses so it has happened, I even think some have charged the businesses for the extra costs. Our town is only so big and only so many tourists can fit in it before it becomes a problem.
Darlene Motto
1:31 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Randi, Like I have said before many times. Wether the impact is good or bad it is still an impact. We can't expect increases year after year to come from the residents or the businesses from the impact unless that is what the businesses do not mind doing for their customers. Yes, the boardwalk pays taxes, is it enough to cover the expenses it creates. I am not sure. The entire purpose for businesses to be in any town would be to help the town keep their taxes low for the residents. If it gets to a point were it is costing the town residents more money it becomes a problem. Paying out more than what they receive then something is wrong and adjustments need to be made no matter how long something has been going on. Personally do I feel the taxes are terribly high in the Beach. But can I keep affording an increase this size every single year. NO, Are they higher than other states in comparison to what we get. Yes. It is NJ. If a town is paying more out than what they receiving in, it is going to be become a problem. I can promise you that the tourists will still come regardless of a tax and anyone that says they will not, I would have to challenge them. When you are on vacation wether a week or a day, you are going to have fun and spend if that is what they decided to do. They are not going to worry about a slight tax. The prices are always higher in a beach resort town and guess what they still come and spend money.
Darlene Motto
9:29 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Lastly I think a lot of things are uneven and unfair. Unfortunately as most know, it is what it is. Life is not always fair. What I have always had a problem with in both higher and local politicians "especially local" promising their constituents changes on some of the issues to only suddenly changing their minds once they have been voted in by the RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN. Just do not promise anything that you have no intentions in trying to change. I will definitely respect you more. Please just have a mind of your own, and give believable reasons for the decisions you are making even if it might not be agreed upon. Also remember the RESIDENTS is who puts you were you want to sit for what ever the reasoning is. Do I feel their needs to be a balance amongst the town. "YES" But no matter what some say about taxes being so low here in one breath many are always complaining about the taxes increases, climbing year to year. The council members needs to investigate and has an obligation to the residents. They need to follow and be honest with their constituents. Follow the trail of were the money is going and if adjustments need to made they should. Just because things might have been done a certain way for years does not mean you continue if it is not working any longer for the residents or the town. As most know a lot of things change and it has to be dealt with. Randi, How about that for going on and on.
Laura
9:31 am on Thursday, April 5, 2012
The ordinance did get the bar owners to possibly think the Beach was actually going to cost them money. Maybe just the first passage of the ordinance was what was needed to needed to get the attention of the problem businesses that the Beach is serious. I have no horse in this race so it matters little to me but maybe pushing the issue just to this point is the way to begin to come to a solution or maybe not.
Cathy Kelly
1:58 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
All parties involved are trying to work something out, again,that is a good thing!!!
Joe Divola
8:36 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
just one question....did the parking issue get passed??? or do we have to wait til the 17th for it to get voted on?
Cathy Kelly
8:39 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
so lets hear the truth,,,,You sound so intelligent that I am surprised that you don't know how to read a map...haha
Spooner
9:02 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Cathy...the truth is. . .you and Barrella are on a first name basis. . .that's ipso facto. . . when it comes to your creditability. . .and what was that latest line of yours. . ." again that's a good thing" Your a phony!
Let's have the truth
9:10 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Ms. Kelly: We all know Barrella prides himself on being the smartest political strategist on the block. He has been using you as his political hit man since your first post. Can you deny you have been Barrella's hit man since your first post? Look at the record of your posts. You may have been able to fool people in the beginning but now anyone who is paying attention knows you speak for Barrella, and Barrella only.
Cathy Kelly
9:06 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Spooner,I am on a first name basis with alot of people,that is when I actually know their names as opposed to the cowards such as yourself tha hide behind an alias....
Cathy Kelly
9:16 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Lets have the truth,my first comment was"This is Good news. They are working together and hopefully the negotiations will work out for the residents and the businesses as well......"how you can spin that into Barrella using me is beyond me but I will humor you...Obviously,you don't know me at all,if you asked Barella what he thought of me,he would probably say that I am a pain in the A--. I am and have always been about School,Police and Quality of Life. I have never hidden that fact. I just have a major problem when people lie and distort the truth,regardless of who it concerns... I am pretty sure that Barrella does not need me to fight his battles,as you can see,he seems to be holding his own. 2 elections and a recall effort. But I have to give you credit for trying,,,well done...
Let's have the truth
9:36 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Ms. Kelly--In what universe is Steve Reid, who is raising a young daughter in our schools, not for "Schools, Police, and Quality of life?" Barrella started out by trying to reduce police and cut school budget. He only jumped on the pro schools pro police opportunity---with your hard work---when faced with a recall, for, among other things trying to put in paid parking and refusing to hiring a replacement for an officer who left the force (retirement if I remember). If you were really ONLY about school police and quality of life you would recognize the truth--------those who are not for schools, police, and quality of life are very few---and if you knew Steve Reid you would know he is not one of them. Your agenda with Reid is what demonstrates that it is all and only Barrella for you.
Joan Vuocolo
10:26 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Ha,ha!! Chuckle, chuckle!! 0% credibility.
Cathy Kelly
9:20 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
This article is about the Council and Businesses trying to work together to come up with a solution for everyone involved so no drastic measures would have to be taken yet the usual pot stirrers(troublemakers)are turning it into something bad..
Cathy Kelly
10:35 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Joan,your comments make me proud to have a child attending Antrim,hahahahahahha
Cathy Kelly
10:12 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Lets have the truth,,everything I have stated about Mr.Reid has been my opinion and I have stated that...I have been on the other end of Mr.Reids lies and everyone on the email chain has witnessed it... He might be a great family man but from what I have witnessed and had to correct the lies that he was stating,he is not someone that I personally want representing me. The email chain is responsible and it has no bias...Everyone is allowed to reply and let their statements be known. He has lied over and over and people(me included) have called him out on it.... I don't care who people vote for,I only care about people knowing the truth and casting a vote based on the truth and not hearsay....there are 300-400 people on the email chain and as I said before EVERYONE can reply......I am aware that Politics are dirty but again,maybe I am naive,we live in a one square mile town,the residents should be first and foremost....the email chain has given the residents the opportunity to see what is the truth and what is not so when you say"with your hard work"you are giving me to much credit and you are not giving enough credit to the people that are paying attention....and another thing,I know he is raising a daughter,she is in the same class as my daughter and I believe they are friends in school....
Let's have the truth
11:12 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Ms. Kelly----Who controls this e-mail chain? Sure seems to me that you and the rest of the Barrella supporters dominate the chain. I believe the chain will not allow some folks to reply to all, at least some of the time. How is it you pick and choose who is on it and who is off? How long before you invited people to have their name removed from the chain if they liked? I really can't imagine how PPB managed to become the great town it was when you moved here without your chain. Except for Barrella supporters I don't know anyone on the chain who doesn't recognize your Barrella bias both in your Patch posts and on the chain. If there is someone who is not a Barrella supporter and believes your chain is unbiased I have not met them. By the way, where did you get the initial list, not from some civic organization like Little League, or PTO, or band parents? Has it dawned on you yet that by allowing Barrella to use you to sow unnecessary division you are actually working against the school, the police and quality of life? Before you answer, review your post to Joan about how happy you are to have a child in Antrim.
Joan Vuocolo
10:37 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
By "everyone" do you mean everyone in District 4? The pot stirrers seem to be focused on dividing the entire town. Sounds to me like the pot stirrers are calling the kettle black!!!
Cathy Kelly
10:46 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Joan,you sem to be selectively posting so i will post this again for you.......
Keep it real/Joan,you do realize that when you say the council is doing Barellas bidding that you are insulting Bill Mayer,Bret Gordon,Corbally etc...I had a few email exchanges with Mr.Mayer and Mr.Gordon and I have to say that I think they want to do whats right for the residents..If you don't know them than maybe you should get to know them and if you do know them already than you are saying that they are doing things because Barella is telling them to. Ms.Tooker never got a fair shot and I am sure that the people that are insulting her and the others never took the time to reach out to any of them....it's so easy to criticize but unless you actually spoke to any of the council members,your criticism is baseless. And Yes,i have emailed ALL of them and have always gone straight to the source and than formed an opinion....And I have done the same with the BW.....so lets see,have you gone to the source????
Cathy Kelly
10:51 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Everyone refers to people from every district,if you had any facts at all,you would know that..remember,you asked to be put on the email chain and than like a"two year old "you said,"I don't want to be put on the chain" haha
Cathy Kelly
10:48 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Joan,you cannot be elected to office in this town by one district alone in case you didn't know that and it's funny that some people from the Business end wish you would just be quiet because as they say"she isn't helping the situation at all" but again,that is just hearsay hahaha
Joan Vuocolo
11:04 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
@Cathy...I'm only echoing your comments, ha,ha,chuckle,chuckle!!! And by the way, you do know what they say about hearsay, it's similar to what they say about assuming!!! Have a Happy Easter!
Cathy Kelly
11:16 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Joan,I hope that the students are not being taught to state empty comments without anything to back it up and when addressed the students will not just come up with a silly quote. Happy Easter to You to and hopefully next time you comment,you will have some accuracy backing it up....
Cathy Kelly
12:22 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Joan good for you,,,,your statement..."@Let's have the truth...according to Cathy Kelly, anyone can be added to her e-mail chain. But, if you ask to be removed, she will accuse you of behaving like a 2 year old. Even 2 year old's are capable of making "good" choices!! Beware, she has her own agenda!!!" Is a blatant Lie ...........you should be ashamed of yourself...
Cathy Kelly
11:25 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Lets have the truth, you are so wrong once again,,,noone picks and chooses who could be on or off and noone is banned from commenting EVER..That is a BLATANT lie..... MY email chain is open to everyone and there has never been a time where someone could not reply...Anyone that wants to be added is added and anyone that chooses to be removed is...This is a perfect example of the bs that gets spread around town...The email chain is open to Everyone regardless of their position..
Joan Vuocolo
11:59 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
@Let's have the truth...according to Cathy Kelly, anyone can be added to her e-mail chain. But, if you ask to be removed, she will accuse you of behaving like a 2 year old. Even 2 year old's are capable of making "good" choices!! Beware, she has her own agenda!!!
Cathy Kelly
11:28 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
my email is ck618@comcast.net..the problem is most people posting under alias's do not want to be added because than people might know who they are,thats their problem not mine....My email chain is open to everyone and I do not stop anyone from replying so the information you are getting is wrong!!!!
Let's have the truth
11:34 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Sure Sure---you and Barrella---monopolies on truth. Excus me for disagreeing
Cathy Kelly
12:03 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Joan,again you lie, you were never added to the list. You asked to be added and than through the comments you said you didn't want to be added..Blatant lie again,noone that is asked to be removed is called a two year old...That title only went to you because you didn't like the answers you were getting....stop lying!!!!!thats all I ask......
Cathy Kelly
11:42 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
haha why does your response not surprise me.....
Joan Vuocolo
12:34 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
@Cathy...Your responses always surprise me! I did ask to be added to your e-mail list. After careful consideration, I told you that I did not want to be part of your "elite" e-mail chain.This is what you have previously posted. Am I a blatant liar? Please read Ms. Kelly's comments to me and give me your opinion!
10:51 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Everyone refers to people from every district,if you had any facts at all,you would know that..remember,you asked to be put on the email chain and than like a"two year old "you said,"I don't want to be put on the chain" haha
Joan Vuocolo
11:50 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
@Cathy...Why is is that when you do not have anything of substance to say, you simply state haha or chuckle, chuckle?
Cathy Kelly
12:00 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
ok Joan,I am sure that everyone didnt get how you selectively posted and didnt address the posts that had facts but its all good.You win,I believe your comments speak for themselves....I am done..have a good night..
Joan Vuocolo
12:40 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
@Cathy...You are the blatant liar! Stop lying, that's all I ask!!!!
Please read Cathy Kelly's posts to me...
Cathy Kelly
12:03 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Joan,again you lie, you were never added to the list. You asked to be added and than through the comments you said you didn't want to be added..Blatant lie again,noone that is asked to be removed is called a two year old...That title only went to you because you didn't like the answers you were getting....stop lying!!!!!thats all I ask......
Cathy Kelly
12:52 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
ok Joan,thanks for posting what was posted 5 minutes ago,I don't know what you are trying to say but you were never added to the email chain because through our comment exchange,you asked not to be added.So in short,because you didn't like me,you chose not to hear what the rest of the residents(on the chain)had to say it
has nothing to do with someone being on the email chain asking to be removed...you are starting to scare me with your comments hahahahaha
Jim Furie
11:55 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Greed, Greed, Greed Everywhere. Lucy you are right, Lurie should not be able to vote on any Boardwalk issues
Cathy Kelly
12:04 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I agree,Lurie should recuse himself but of course thats not going to happen
Seth Lyer
10:53 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Neither should have Jeff Dyer. He voted on issues that affected the town and then decided he was going to quit like seconds after. He voted and elected Stephen Reid. That was a set up. What is wrong with the Republican Club in this town? I would not trust anyone that they support. Not with their track record.
Shawn Mennessey
11:27 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Don't pick on Lurie or Dyer and all my friends at Jenkinson's
Cathy Kelly
12:25 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Again,this article is about the Council and Businesses working together to come up with a solution that will benefit the residents and the businesses....People should be happy about this.......
common sense
3:25 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I agree. The town needs the businesses and the businesses need the town. This should be a taxpayer win not a resident or business win.
Joan Vuocolo
12:47 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
@Cathy...It's not all about winning... it's about being honest, responsible, and most important, being truthful!!! Such wonderful characteristics in a human being, don't you think?
Joan Vuocolo
9:30 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
@Cathy... I was responding to your 12:00a.m. post to me. Go back and re-read it. Your last post demonstrates the type of person you are. You lack character. How unfortunate for you!
Had Enough of Cathy Kelly
10:30 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Cathy Kelly---interesting that not a single solitary one of the 300 to 400 people on your chain have come to your aide here. Could it be we are all tired of hearing your mean, inaccurate, biased and disrespectful comments. You really did learn all you know from Barrella, didn't you?
Cathy Kelly
10:52 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
What is inaccurate? I find it comical that when people spread mistruths and I clear them up with facts that I am called mean,biased etc.......I am not sure why you think I need aide? Whos is calling names here? haha
Spooner
10:55 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Had Enough: this is how cathy welcomes new bloggers opinions. . .
Cathy Kelly
1:53 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012
Julie S..haha I thought you were actually sincere in your other comment on the table ordinance but you have managed to show your agenda in only 2 posts.Now that is comical. I think you should vote for Reid.hahaha...
Cathy Kelly
10:59 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
spooner,again with your half truths, if you read the comments of the new blogger you will see that she was attacking me when she does not know anything about me...but hey why let the truth get in the way,you never have before
Nick Pappageorgio
1:06 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Let's get the facts straight about this Cathy Kelly email list. Its full of people who don't live in town, public employees (school and municipal) whose emails should not even be used because those emails are supposed to be for school or Point Pleasant Beach use only. The list is far from 300-400. If you take out all the town and school employees and take out the people who don't live in town it comes to about 30 to 40 people. Go Reid ! Go Cortes ! 2012
Cathy Kelly
1:10 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
haha now thats funny
Seth Lyer
5:56 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Everyone should stop drinking a couple hours prior to posting on the patch. So they can think clearly before they post their own BS version of what they think happened. Alcohol clouds your decisions.
Mike Corbally
1:26 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Nick,
I'd be surprised if 25% of the people blogging here pay taxes in the Beach. I believe Point Pleasant Beach taxpayers are more informed.
Spooner
1:36 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Ms Kelly: Julie S raises valid points about conflicts of interest(hypocrisy) on the part of the Council dealing with the problems in District 4. . . . don't think she was attacking you? Julie S wanted you to answer her why they just don't close the bars period!. . .rather than have this caveat:"pay to stay open" If the object is to collect more money from the BW businesses. . .why didn't they take the $40,000 last year as she said. . .and protect the residents. . . isn't that what the Council wants to do now. . .for the bars to remain open. . .with all this behind the scenes negotiations?
common sense
4:42 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
If you are going to attack on a personal level you should at least use your real name. No room for personal attacks. At least Mike Corbally uses his real name.
Bar Barrella from the beach
1:48 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
wow
Mike Corbally
2:12 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Can you spell idiot? I didn't think so!
common sense
3:56 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
corbally. whats going on with the parking plan??? ive been out of town
Mike Corbally
4:07 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Ordinance 2012-12 was introduced on March 20th, and at that meeting we scheduled the 2nd Reading for April 17th.
common sense
4:20 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
corbally. i live in dist 3. is there a time limit for parking?? i dont need my street to be a drop off for bw employees and jenks cust staying past midnite.
Part Timer
3:39 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Common Sense, now you seem to understand what we are going through in district 4.
In my opinion, they should expand it to east of the tracks.
common sense
10:35 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
part timer it looks like the bw and patio bar will be open until 2. where are they going to park ???
no brainer
11:56 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
common sense: their customers and employees are going to continue parking on the streets in district 4. Don't you get it yet? The deal is the BW business owners only seal the deal and give the money if the parking plan goes away. Wanna bet it will?
no brainer
12:01 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Part Timer: Which part of THE REFERENDUM WAS DEFEATED don't you understand? The majority of the residents don't want no stinkin' parking plan...period!
common sense
5:07 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Im Glad the bar barella from the beach comments are gone.
anonymous for good reason
11:58 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Cathy Kelly: You are one nasty shrew! Now I get why people have told me and my wife to keep our kids far away from you and yours. You're toxic.
Cathy Kelly
12:05 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
do the people that have told you that live on New Jersey Ave??.haha
anonymous for good reason
6:22 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
No they do not. What does it matter where they live, just good parents who have figured out what you're about. Some role model you are raising two teenage girls. But hey, you just go along with your bullying and keep thinking that Mr. Reid is the only one that you have turned off with your nasty, sarcastic childish remarks. People got your number now and are tired of your crap.
Pat Kender
12:54 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
you all sound like a bunch of idiots..worse than teenagers on facebook...who did not know when they moved into the beach that it had a boardwalk, rides, bars and arcades...it has always been a resort town...i knew it when i moved here in 1962..now some people who wanted to live in Sea Girt or Spring Lake and couldnt afford it, want to change the beach into a quiet sleepy beach town....not happening..sell your house and buy something smaller in bay head, mantoloking, spring lake, or sea girt...
Part Timer
3:32 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Pat Kender,You take a hike....
Cathy Kelly
7:43 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
anonymous for a reason,since you brought up my girls,they are high honor students,respectful girls that would NEVER call someone names while hiding their identity...Talk about being a role model. How proud your children must be of their big strong parent that gets to call people whatever he/she wants because noone knows who they are...You must feel so good about yourself as you type away but hide as you are doing it.......
Cathy Kelly
7:45 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
anonymous,if cowards like you have my number than my job is done,,haha
Spooner
11:53 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Ms Kelly: so using your real name on here gives you's a privilege...or is it a right to berate, insult, demean. . . and allude to people as idiots like Councilman Corbally did above. . .and you asking me if I took my meds. . . and with others who don't agree with you. . .having 0% credibility?
...So if we understand you and Barrella and Corbally: use your real names to criticize. . .and you could be nasty too?
Cathy Kelly
12:03 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Happy Easter to all!!!!!
Cathy Kelly
9:59 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Spooner, you are not a taxpayer of the Beach so quite frankly,you should just worry about what happens in your own town...Oh I'm sorry,I forgot that the residents of the Boro made it loud and clear that they did not want you there either..What was,over 1000 votes??? maybe you should move somewhere in the midwest where noone knows you and you actually have a shot of being elected.....
Mike Corbally
8:43 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Spooner, The people who bring my children up for any reason on this political blog have crossed the line. If they feel that is OK, I suggest they continue to hide. Happy Easter.
Spooner
12:18 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Councilman: scanned your posts back to March, 2011. . .for your comments on blogger(s) crossing that line. Maybe I missed it. Pease post?
...and while we're on the subject of crossing that line. . .now I can't prove it. . .but since this is a political forum. . .I'll let the readers be the judge?
...just before the Borough's election in 2010, the police were called to the home of the Republican mayoral candidate Susan Rogers on Oct 17, 2010, about her child being bullied in school and on the internet by a school board official and a parent using a Council candidates Facebook page. That police incident report after it had be modified and approved on Oct 28, 2011 was then posted on the Internet the following day at the 'animallovertoo.com' blog site:
http://animallovertoo.com/2010/10/29/here-are-the-police-reports-from-lieutenant-picca-and-sergeant-springsteen.aspx?
...so Mr Corbally who leaked those reports to Laura Beeden(aka animallovertoo.com) regarding the candidates son. . .and why was her son dragged through the coals. . .Who other than the PBA members. . .not protecting his privacy for political reasons?
...and then the gloating... the police officer who was at the home...his wife, and the husband of one of the adults writing the Facebook comment:
http://animallovertoo.com/2010/11/02/the-fat-lady-has-sung--schroeder-goss-and-rusk-in-boro.aspx
The punch line. . .who was in the thick of politics in all this. . .non other than your Police official!
Mike Corbally
3:40 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Spooner, clearly you don't understand. Ask someone in your family to help you.
Beach_N8iv
11:31 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
A good letter from Mr. Dooley in the Ocean Star. Proof of the squeaky wheel district's entitlement mentality.
Seth Lyer
6:01 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Any posts that drags others kids in to it should be band from posting. I would consider them beyond low life's. Just don't do it unless you want them to attack yours.
Part Timer
6:09 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
The majority of the residents don't want no stinkin' parking plan...period!
There is one problem with this statement. 45% of the tax payers are Non Residents and most live in district 4.
Tomlene
11:41 am on Saturday, April 14, 2012
I see there is a new ABC bar hours ordinance on for first reading this Tuesday. I think the four members of the governing body have gone completely nuts. From what I've gathered they are going to change the language in the original ordinance and the new ordinance will only effect establishments with an occupancy of 200 persons or more. This will effectively eliminate every bar in town from the ordinance except Jenkinsons and Martells since the patio bar closes at 12 anyway. So much for it being a quality of life issue. This only makes it easier for the attorney from Jenkinsons to prove this is a harassing witch hunt against his client. How can the borough attorney Gertner allow such a bias ordinance to even be introduced ? This governing body including the attorney are an embarrassment to the entire town.
Mike Corbally
11:52 am on Saturday, April 14, 2012
When and where are the majority of our police dispatched?
Marlene Blotto
8:30 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Can you tell me please? I would like to know.
Tomlene
12:49 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
I don't know councilman why don't you tell us. Are you saying that the thousands upon thousands of police calls all year are to two establishments ? How many calls are made for police dispatch to Jenkinsons or Martells from Labor Day to Memorial Day ? The ordinance you people had in place to pass on second reading was at least half way within the law, this new modification now makes the ordinance completely against the law and your lawyer should be fired if he tries to bill the town for one minute of this disaster in the making.
Spooner
12:17 am on Sunday, April 15, 2012
...it sounds like the classic school complaint with a twist. . .How did the school argument go. . .why should we pay school taxes when we're not using the schools. . .Now it's why should we pay extra taxes(oh they call it fees) when we're not using the police?
Cathy Kelly
1:03 am on Sunday, April 15, 2012
spooner/sue...the gig is up...if you want to have any credibility,own up to your statements......
Tomlene
8:55 am on Sunday, April 15, 2012
Puppetwatcher/Cathy....your gig is up... You have no credibility since you always criticize people for using an alias and you used to use one yourself..hahaha. Until you mistakenly posted something about yourself as puppetwatcher then it was ALL OVER ! By the way, get a clue because spooner isn't Sue Rogers and you sound like a moron trying to guess.
Cathy Kelly
9:36 am on Sunday, April 15, 2012
haha
Marlene Blotto
9:08 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Darlene is Tom. I saw her slip up myself. Think she had a belly full of Sangria ! She and Cathy are reasons Denise needs to consider an early shut down of the Patch.
Spooner
11:56 am on Sunday, April 15, 2012
Tomlene: the insanity gets better. . .when you look at the Ordinance introduction: WHEREAS, the Borough Council...has an obligation to ensure public safety and the quality of life of those residing and those visiting the Borough...Gee I thought property taxes was supposed to be used to pay for all this. I guess BW doesn't pay enough?
...but I just love the next statement: WHEREAS, a change in hour of operations of premises licensed to sell alcoholic beverages is required to prevent further deterioration of public safety and quality of life...but we have EXCEPTIONS!
Mike Corbally
12:14 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012
You aren't a resident or taxpayer! What is the fascination?
Chief Wahoo
3:09 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012
perhaps some people just dont like hypocrites and like to call them out, no matter where they live
Cathy Kelly
5:02 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012
chief,I just looked at some of your comments and wow,you are one angry puppy,maybe you should get out and take a nice walk on this beautiful day. haha
Cathy Kelly
9:50 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012
Marlene,every time you post something,I get more impressed with you...hahahahahaha you are just to intelligent for me...haha
Cathy Kelly
9:55 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012
mb,turns out that we know some of the same people so I think you should switch it again,haha
Marlene Blotto
6:48 pm on Monday, April 16, 2012
Cathy--- I do not know anyone you know. You and Darlene are the fake posters that wobble all night.
Cathy Kelly
7:24 pm on Monday, April 16, 2012
Marlene.yes you do haha...like I said,time to switch and this time,don't tell anyone,haha
Cathy Kelly
7:33 pm on Monday, April 16, 2012
Marlene,and I wouldn't be talking about wobbling if I were you...haha you wouldn't want me to start bringing things up now would you?
Marlene Blotto
7:26 pm on Tuesday, April 17, 2012
Cathy: Why not ? Are you threatening again ? Got something factual to say about me? Time to spit it out !
Cathy Kelly
9:23 pm on Tuesday, April 17, 2012
threatening really? haha..Just thought I would give you the heads up on how you like to insult me and the fact is that we know the same people so I actually don't have to guess who you are,,,I know who you are..... I also know that there are things that could be said that you probably don't want to be said so I was actually trying to be nice and let you know to back off before I start talking but if you would like,we could make this an open discussion for all to see....your choice...even I have compassion at times....haha